Ok I know this is abit of a controversial documentary, but well, i've always been a man of an open mind, so don't go damning me as some religion hater or something because I'm far from it, I just think this is well made and could use some visual.
Yes this is the full movie, yes this is over 90 minutes long, but if you got the time, have a look. Its not anti religion, but its more "this is what we've found, believe it if you want, or believe what you like"... anyway here it is...
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Laz
Teenage Gang Debs
2 months ago
19 comments:
Excellent DOC. Its a very good independent documentary. I found it highly informative and learned alot from it. The Doc essentially is a very spiritual, religious and political analysis of the last several centuries of world history and how it relates to the progess of man, woman, and child.
I hope that the world will watch with an open mind. For the Truth is right in your face. You need only open your eyes to see.
this movie is a bunch of crap.. read up on the history of horus and u will see it has nothing to do with what he says, nor mithra, krishna ......bullshit...is easy to make.... zeitgeist-the movie.... WORTH WATCHING, TO figure it a fake..
I don't believe anything the movie says simply on the basis that the so called sources for the documentary were listed so vague with no page numbers was enough to think it as nothing more than a bad dream.
What was said about WWII was completely false. Roosevelt was not breaking international law by cutting off supplies of raw materials and oil to Japan. Japan attacked China out of pure malice and hatred; a completely unprovoked attack, long before it attacked Pearl Harbor. Would you give a hostile country the means to do more harm by providing the tools neccessary for mechanized warfare?
This so called "documentary" completely ignored that the large quantity of human decisions are made on a moral and ethical basis, not motivated by finance. People are greedy, this is true, but to break down all major government and societal decisions made in the last century based on economics is a complete falsehood.
The producer completely ignores the atrocities committed by the Germans in WWI, The Axis powers in WWII, The Viet Cong during the Vietnam war, or the Taliban in Afghanistan. Lets not forget that the mission in Afghanistan is a NATO backed mission.
As for the topic of Religion. The most savage and brutal dictators and war mongerers in history were complete atheists. Napoleon Bonaparte, Saddam Hussein (who murdered countless millions under his brutal regime), Che Guevera, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Genghis Khan, Mao Tse Tung.....the list goes on and on. Religion and more importantly Faith in something higher than ourselves causes us to stop and analyze what we are doing and to ask ourselves serious moral and ethical questions. As we all know, anything man made and man developed is doomed to fail miserably, man cannot stand on his own.
um, Horus was born of two God's. Isis and Orsiris.
This documentary has sucker written all over it. For instance, they have the photoshopped pictures of the people jumping out the windows. Anyway who saw actual footage knows no one jumped out a window.
First, windows that high are impossible to open by design. Second, where the plane crashed there were broken open windows...um, I don't know about any of you people but I'm pretty sure I couldn't live through a plane hitting me head on. Third, if there were thermite explosions set, enough to melt steel, then explain how these people survived that long enough to make it to a window.
Seriously, never, ever take conspiracy documentaries at face value. Do some research. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy took a formula and used it just as an experiment.
I am one of the most adamant anti Bush people you will ever meet (even before his first term) but all this stuff is a real stretch.
"The most savage and brutal dictators and war mongerers in history were complete atheists."
You forget to mention the overwhelmingly large number of people killed/murdered in the name of God.
"this movie is a bunch of crap.. read up on the history of horus and u will see it has nothing to do with what he says"
I think you critics are taking this movie a little too much at face value. The religious aspects of this film are meant to explore the idea that religions have evolved. It is a known fact that the church decided to celebrate Christs birth on December 25 hundreds of years after his death and resurection as a promotion campaign to win over pagan followers who celebrate the winter solstice at that same time. Religions must evolve as the people evolve. Christianity has evolved just as the bible has. HUndreds of translations of the bible become hundreds of interpretations. Christianity has itself evolved into many different sub-religions...ones that war against each other just as much as Shiite and Sunni (Protestant - Catholic). If anything you can take away the directors message of looking at the timeline of these religions, how they have changed and evolved. Understand that being a Chrisitian in the first century a.d. was a lot different than being one in the twenty first.
His message is about looking at everything in a different perspective, different from what we have been originally told, what everyone believes. Just because the majority, no matter how large, believe something to be true, doesn't make it fact. There are 1,900 different religions in the US alone. It makes me wonder, out of those 1,900 different religions, what are the actual chances one of those explanations to the reality of our existance is the truth. Only one, or none, can be the tuth. Just because the majority of the poeple living here on this continent believe that Christianity is the truth behind our existance, doesn't mean Jesus Christ will save us from the destruction of the Eath.
This movie can't get its facts straight right from the get-go. I'm a skeptic and atheist towards religion, but this film screws up royally in its attempts to attack religion (look up the actual facts on their comparisons between christianity and other religions, or Jesus and the egyptian god - specifically on their bullet-point parts in particular they obfuscate and bold-faced lie about the egyptian god to make him fit Jesus's profile) and then goes off the deep end into 9-11 conspiracy mumbo jumbo with an unhealthy overdose of paranoid ramblings about rich people that is the same paranoid song and dance since protocols of the elders of zion.
Shit like this attracts people who feel something is amiss with religion or with current politics, but who lack the critical thinking faculties to look into the research the film talks about in its points. Ironically the result is you get a bunch of parrots propping up a swiss-cheese-holed pile of crap as a paragon of 'truth' while screaming like pod-people at critics, telling them to 'wake up to the lies.'
Paranoid hogwash like this I put in the same category as holocaust denial and creationist 'science.' Lies and mistruths masquerading as the 'real' thing that people need to 'wake up' to disgusts me terribly.
"As for the topic of Religion. The most savage and brutal dictators and war mongerers in history were complete atheists. Napoleon Bonaparte, Saddam Hussein (who murdered countless millions under his brutal regime), Che Guevera, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Genghis Khan, Mao Tse Tung.....the list goes on and on."
A few points:
-Adolph Hitler was a christian. I don't know how the 'Hitler was an atheist' myth started. He started catholic but gravitated to a form of 'positive christianity' that is closer to protestantism. Additionally, the anti-semitic attitudes towards Jews he capitalized on came largely from hundreds of years of religious tensions in the region.
-Saddam Hussein, monster that he was, was a devout Sunni Muslim and attempting to portray himself as such to appeal to the religious conservatives in his country. And countless millions? Where are you getting these figures from? The same place you were lied to about Saddam being an atheist I would presume.
-Many of the people you mention are authoritarians. Authoritarian regimes often replace religion that would compete in the hearts and minds of the people (in their view) with a state-sponsored religion - either from an existing religion (such as Mussolini did) or by turning the state into the religion - I.E. The pseudo-deification of Mao, Stalin, etc. North Korea for a modern example, has no religion because the state IS its religion and the state would get murderously jealous.
-Ghengis Khan an atheist? Saying Saddam and Hitler were atheists was stupid enough, but this is definitive proof that you're retarded.
This doc is crap. Why? The second part we already knew, it´s a rip-off of former docs. The third part sounds like if it was written by Huxley and the first part is so imprecise! Horus born from a Virgin? He was born from Isis after she shagged the dead body of Osiris (ripped into 14 pieces by Set) Horus died crucified, had disciples? He is a God, not a prophet! He even has a hawk head Damn it! Mary and Maya have the same linguistic background??? Mary in Hebrew is Miriam, and except starting with M has nothing to do with Maya... This is a dangerous doc that people are taking as an absolute truth... We all know what religion is about, we all know that something stinks within the Whitehouse and the 11S affair, we all know there are people behind the curtains... But these guys have tried to reinvent the circle by throwing in only the details and uncertain facts they need to prove their theory. The most dangerous lies mix truth and lie... Zeidgeist has something evil about it... Looks like a weird New Age sect´s promo video.
Unbelievable comments on here from some people.
"No one jumped out of the windows of the Twin towers"
Well, I must have imagined the hour long documentary I watched about one of the guys who jumped.
And the "co-incidence" that Moses, the character which all Abrahamic faiths embrace, has the same name as three other law givers in other religions.
As I said to a muslim friend of mine, Zeitgeist is probably full of holes and sketchy facts. But if you watched it every day all your life, you had a zeigeist day once a year and ate good food and gave gifts to one another, you played the movie when someone died and took comfort in it. I'm pretty sure you'd believe every word of it. JUST LIKE RELIGION!!!!
Open your eyes people.
This movie is just to desinform people, mixing trues and lies...It is an aberration to say that most religions are based in adoration of "sun god" only...if u look within Judaism ( which is not the same thing as Zionism ) "saturday" so Saturn, was more important than "sunday"...Illuminatis hates politeism..this film is an insult !
Zeitgeist is very reductionist and disrespectful towards other believes, grouping most of us around 'sun god"...Came on people...In our world there so many differents religious believes but THIS is what in fact represents a HUGE obstacule for the masters of this world to take complete control over us. OUR DIFFERENCES !!
Zeitgeist is trying to convince desinformed people that religion is bad...maybe religions institutions have done horrors but not the religions practiced by people who really believe in love.It is known that Carl Marx was an illuminati as also Lenin ( Lenin was caught carring millions in a suitcase from an american bankers to finance the Bolcheviks against the Zar ! )
Do u know who made Zeitgeist film ? Who is behind this film ?
Dont be so naive people...read a bit more about history.. Get informed !! The buch of lambs most be grouped under one believe so to be controlled and for that to be done, the lambs most get rid off whatever they have believed..this film is an attent against all institutions, democratics institutions, our own families, this film is trying to erase everything we have..creating panic..If Zeitgeist will have good intentions they will already show up their faces in public...
They have took all of us by ignorants but they will be very surprised !
Greetings...! I'm a little suspicious to talk about this documentary because, as a revolutionary that I considered myself to be, I've always questioned the Authority in every form, and as such I tend to easily have the same kind of speech used in this movie.
However, I'm also very critic about everything, so after a little research plus the few things that I remember from mythology it's not hard to understand that like someone said here before Zeitgeist is probably full of holes and sketchy facts.
However the concept of the Movie, in the hole is not far from the truth, as in some issues it's not only close to the truth, its AN ABSOLUTE TRUTH... Not because they say so, but because, facts are facts regardless of one's opinion. It is true that the World is moving towards a Word Government, and all governments are disrespecting individual freedom. This is happening world wide.
Finally I wish to state, for those who said "This Movie is a bunch of Crap"... Well so your Nazi, Capitalist, Imperialist Self-Centered and selfish philosophies. Since when the use of Bullshit to convince people of something is an exclusive for those who defend the very System that is killing us... If I had to "spread the bullshit" at least I rather spread this "Crappy Sucker Movie" than the retarded comments of those here who dare to say barbarities like "Saddam and Hitler were atheists" or even more funny "Anyway who saw actual footage knows no one jumped out a window."...!!
This is the very reason why where screwed, so for those who wish to see the movie, I hope that you're prepared to fell helpless on how bad the world is...!!
In the ' Greatest story ever told ' it seems like the filmmaker is trying to bring across a his own viewpoint by stringing alot of facts together. On actual historical evidence for his claims there is no sourcing to back them up. With historical research you would soon find out how dissimilar the lives and stories of Horus, Jesus and other historical figures named by the filmmaker are. The control of religion over individuality is a reality but to completely ignore historical facts to bring a point across is really misleading to the viewer. To attempt to bring across 'truth' in by using falsehood is the very 'end justifies the means' concept he accuses religion of using.
How many have read the Bible and truly interpreted its meaning? By the way, I'm not religious at all and fully respect everyone's believes. Science have changed my thoughts during time in different ways.
The other day a person, with studies (not dumb) was asking if Chile was in Europe. (What the f*?). You get my point right?
How we can expect to understand a film that has so many citations, and references if education is a mess and we are to vague to investigate a little?
Why countries are investing every year less in education? It just doesn't make any sense.
I don't know guys, but things are happening for real. You do not have to read that much to validate it.
Now we have the green movement (you may think it is a trend, but in fact, the warning began at the earlies 70s)
We have also the swine flu (damn pigs, tasty although), and the media have taken another hit. Not because the virus is a ghost, it actually exists. But I can give you more than 10 rumours that already are out there. And now, swine flu, is an example of "Shock Doctrine"
Saying all this, I believe that the film is a call to read more and get our own picture. To be out-of-the-box.
Change is challenge, and always attach fear, and ignorance kills human mind. I do not know if everything on the film is a fact, but it worth the 2hs of the 648000hs that I'm expecting to live.
Happy info-hunting...
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High all.
It's great documentary, and is true in my sources Hitler was Catholic sadly like me.... December 25 is celebrated by Christian but somes Christians says this was because Church needed attract pagans, some Christians likes Jehova followers don't celebrate this day because for them Christ born. Anyway Zeitgeist is on the way if we leave behind the appassionated things like radical religion, politics, race, etc. We can build a great world.
Looking on Zeitgeist two says: "... religions gives spiritual help who needs", this means zeitgeist is not against religion. I agree with it 100%, yes Hitler was catholic but what the difference?, all of this was for Money only Money.
Why the people who critics ZeitGeist don't critic the monetary system? This is the point.
anonymous, poor little ignorant... u are just quite blind enought so u can´t be a little bit open minded to watch the movie in a more objective point of view so u would see that the director isn´t talking about anything new, there are so much things in front of our eyes but we just can´t see them... to see u just need to open ur eyes...
...and if u want to investigate, do it, truly..
Well,
This documentary was entertaining...
Believe it or not...who cares... that's for you guys to get a book and see for yourself... Like it says do not take what you see on TV or any other media as the TRUTH...
This article refutes and disproves claims of Zeitgeist movie, from the part of Christianity:
http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/zeitgeist_movie.html
I suggest to read the article
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